005 Dialog between Hammad and Tamasha Wily

Hammad

Hello, thank you for visiting IslamiCity. How may I help you?

Tamasha Wiley

I am dating a Muslim man. and I want to learn more about the deen on my own

07:05:49 pm

The chat was transferred to Abrahim because Hammad had not replied for 3 minutes.

Abrahim

welcome

what is your religion at the moment?

Tamasha Wiley

Non denominational, but I was raise Baptiste

Abrahim

thank you

let me explain the basics of Islam

Islam is the same truth that God revealed to all of His prophets from Adam to Noah, Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary, and the rest of the beautiful chain of prophets who called people to worship God alone with no partners. May God send His peace and blessings upon all of them. Does this make sense to you?

Tamasha Wiley

Yes.

Abrahim

Muslims believe in the same God as the Christians and the Jews, but we consider Him Alone without any sons or partners and we do not give any of His attributes to creation.

We also believe in Jesus but we believe in him not as a son of God or one of the trinity but as a great Prophet and Messenger born a miraculous birth without a father to virgin Mary. He never claimed to be the son of God or said that He should be worshipped.

Muslims believe that all the revealed books are from God and we are supposed to believe in all of them. We believe in the original Gospel of Jesus, the Torah of Moses and Psalms of David (peace be upon them), but not in the changes and corruptions that came into these books of revelations of God by some later scribes and editors.

Tamasha Wiley

I agree with myself

Abrahim

🙂

When it comes to acts of worship,

1) Muslims worship God alone without any partners.

2) Pray 5 times a day. This prayer makes us come closer to God on daily basis.

3) We fast one month per year (Ramadan).

4) Pay Charity to the poor (Zakah).

5) and make pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj) once in a life time if we have the financial and physical ability.

Makes sense? 🙂

Tamasha Wiley

Yes-

Abrahim

Becoming a Muslim is very simple as it is already in your heart from the time you were born. It is to declare that there is no God worthy of worship except one God alone without partners, and that you believe in all of the messengers that He sent to mankind from Adam to Noah, Moses and Jesus, till the final messenger Muhammad. (They all came with the same message of worshipping God alone), and believe that God, Almighty, sent down Books to guide people (like manuals to help people live a spiritually uplifted life), that God also created the Angels, and also believe in the Day of Judgment (which is the last day where people will be held accountable for their deeds), and finally to believe in God’s Decree (which basically means that God knows all that took place in the past, what will happen in the future, and that He is the one who decrees everything in life) 🙂 Makes sense?

Tamasha Wiley

Kinda-

Give me a second I will be right back

Abrahim

take your time

Tamasha Wiley

Thank you. I am back. Sorry But I am at work…

Abrahim

take your time

we understand these situations 🙂 so no worries

just make sure to type something every 10 minutes or the system gets you disconnected

Tamasha Wiley

Thank you for your patience

Abrahim

🙂

Tamasha Wiley

What should i know about dating a Muslim man?

Abrahim

we date when there is interest to get married

we never do it alone in order to stay away from fornication

Tamasha Wiley

That part i know…

We are discussing marriage.

Abrahim

great

Tamasha Wiley

Marriage is on the top of our ” to do list” but for me marriage is a forever thing. And he is planning for a marriage before the end of this year.

Abrahim

for a Muslim with sound faith marriage and love is for the sake of Allah, also looking not for this life but also into eternity

Tamasha Wiley

I understand that too.

At time I feel like we are rushing, and i dont know how to convey that to him without sounding mean

I respect hie deen, and part of what i love about him is connection to his religion. I just feel like there is so much i have to learn, and i dont want to feel like we are rushing.

Abrahim

in Islam love is built within the marriage

not outside of it, as it doesnt have sense

Tamasha Wiley

Please elaborate on that

Would I be able to go to a local mosque to speak with someone about m,y concerns? or is that not allowed?

Abrahim

experience shows the ultimate goal of actions

in a relationship between a man and a woman the ultimate goal in physical terms is reproduction

love and passion and pleasure is just a small reward in it, provided by the creator in order to fulfill our duties

Tamasha Wiley

But that only comes within marriage.

Abrahim

outside of marriage is a dirty action based on egoism and selfishness

it will bring lots of pain

because it is not done for the sake of the Creator

Tamasha Wiley

What happens to our marriage if i do not take my shahada?

Abrahim

are you a Christian?

Tamasha Wiley

yes

Abrahim

nothing

a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman

Tamasha Wiley

I believe in one god, one creator

Abrahim

excellent that is the key to salvation

maybe later you find out more about Islam

actually Islam is what Jesus announced to come

he foretold a messenger to come for the end of times

Tamasha Wiley

right because he was almost 2000 years too soon

Am i required to be covered?

Abrahim

interesting way to think 🙂

in Islam 1st requirement is belief

then one can work out different rulings that come down

they key is understanding why we need to do this to eat that to say this etc.

Tamasha Wiley

Work out? i dont understand. Things of Islam have always been presented to me as what Must be done- with very little explanation

Abrahim

well the Quran says otherwise

actually it brings the question

who is better someone who understand or someone who doesnt?

what do you think?

Tamasha Wiley

Someone who understands

Abrahim

exactly

because there are many virtues in understanding

Islam is not about blind following

it has always promoted reasoning

Tamasha Wiley

I have a crazy question

Is there a kind of road map, or something that give me a straight forward do and not list

Abrahim

to avoid masturbation?

Tamasha Wiley

No…

Abrahim

oh sorry I confused the chat

so the road or map is to fulfill your purpose of creation

Tamasha Wiley

Still not quite getting it

Abrahim

one key in Islam is to know the names of Allah

to be able to read them across the universe

Tamasha Wiley

ok-

Abrahim

for example

Tamasha Wiley

There are like 99 names

Abrahim

you see that a small insect is walking by your window

and you have no idea what the insect eats

yet it is provided from unexpected places by the Wise and Most Merciful Provider

Tamasha Wiley

i get that… all things are provided by Allah

Abrahim

🙂

what part of the 6 pillars of faith doesnt make full sense?

Tamasha Wiley

Are you talking about the 6 articles of faith? or those different?

Abrahim

yes the same

you said they kind of make sense to you

Tamasha Wiley

I believe in the existence of God, I believe in the existence of Angels, I believe in the holy book( but not as a traditional Christian believes); I believe in the prophets; I believe in a day of judgement

Abrahim

do you believe in prophet Muhammad as the last messenger?

Tamasha Wiley

I believe that Muhammad was one the Prophets

Abrahim

yes teh Quran says teh last one sent to mankind

so basically you are a Muslim in your heart

so after belief we proceed with the shahada

the testimony of faith

then we proceed to learn the prayer and to learn about Allah our creator

the more we know him the more we can love Him

are you there sister?

Tamasha Wiley

Yes

Abrahim

what do you think is holding from Islam?

maybe the veil?

Tamasha Wiley

not sure if it the veil

But the free will to to chose

Abrahim

explain me more please

Tamasha Wiley

Thats why i asked about a kinda of dos and dont

Abrahim

sure

for example do what is good wise and fair

don’t do the opposite

do you think killing someone is fair, just, or merciful?

Tamasha Wiley

No. but that could be viewed as circumstantial

Abrahim

how ?

Tamasha Wiley

In situations of war- is it right or wrong to kill

Abrahim

today no war is waged to a fair cause so it would be wrong

also eating pork

say your plane crashes and you survive

and you fal in a place where the only thing you can find is savage pigs

in order to survive you can eat pork

so you are protecting life

not a circumstance per se

Tamasha Wiley

so if i have to survive i still cant eat the pork?

So what was the purpose of God dropping me in this pig farm? If i cant eat the pig- TO SURVIVE

Abrahim

you can

in that case until you find licit food

Tamasha Wiley

But then am i not condemned to hell for going against the so called will of God.

Abrahim

no because you will be following the commandment of God

as he gives this permission

so you are doing a good deed eating pork in that situation

isn’t that logical?

Tamasha Wiley

Because it is based on survival only?

Abrahim

because you are protecting life which is the greatest miracle in the universe

Tamasha Wiley

Yeah but that is selfish… I am only thinking of self.

Abrahim

you are honouring the name of The Giver of Life, the Protector

you are doing it for the sake of Allah

if your intention is selfishness then you ruin the good deed

same as a believer who went to the day of Judgement and said

oh Allah I did so and so for you

then Allah tells him, you are lying, you did it so people said how brave you were what a hero you are, and people said so, so you got your reward in earth

and then he is sent to hell for his selfishness

so the key is sincerity in your intention

does this make sense?

Tamasha Wiley

That does make sense –

Abrahim

great

hello?

Tamasha Wiley

But if we go back to our original conversation of my relationship with a Muslim man,

I feel that there are aspects of me that will have to change.

Is that actually the case?

That is where my real fear lies.

Abrahim

the Quran has a general commandment

there is no compulsion in religion

also our prophet taught us as men we have limits in regard to our wives

Tamasha Wiley

Lmits?

Abrahim

they have a nature different to ours, if we try to make them as we wish we might break them

so we have to be patient in there ways

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in conclusion we can not force our wife to anything

Tamasha Wiley

So basically there is nothing to really fear

005 Dialog between Hammad and Tamasha Wily￼

005 Dialog between Hammad and Tamasha Wily